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The Shores of Bohemia: A Cape Cod Story, Interview with Ike Williams

I recently sat down with my friend Ike Williams, author of The Shores of Bohemia: A Cape Cod Story 1910-1960.

John Taylor “Ike” Williams, a founder of Kneerim & Williams, specializes in biography, history, politics, natural science, and anthropology. He represents Howard Gardner, E.O. Wilson, Tim Berners-Lee, Nigel Hamilton, the Estate of James MacGregor Burns, Lawrence Tribe, Frances Fitzgerald, the Estate of Richard Wilbur, Michael Porter, and Sara Lawrence-Lightfoot, among others. He was a member of the NEA Literary Panel, chair of the Boston Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights, co-chair of the Fine Arts Work Center, a member of the Advisory Board of The Biography Conference, and he is a former director of the Boston Book Festival. He also places dramatic rights for such feature films as The Ice Bucket Challenge (Netflix) starring Casey Affleck, based on the life of Pete and Julie Frates; True American by Anand Giridharadas (Kathryn Bigelow), Captain Phillips based on the book A Captain’s Duty by Captain Richard Phillips and Stephen Talty; Public Enemies, from Vendetta by Alston Purvis; and television productions such as: the History Channel series based on Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States; Death and the Civil War (American Experience) based on Drew Gilpin Faust’s This Republic of Suffering; a three part series based on E.O. Wilson’s The Social Conquest of Earth; and a recent American Experience about the West Virginia mine wars, based on the book by James Green, The Devil Is Here in These Hills.

As a lawyer, Ike specializes in intellectual property and first amendment litigation, particularly in publishing, film, television, and new media. He is co-author of the widely used Perle, Williams & Fischer on Publishing Law. His legal clients include Muhammad Yunus, Jeff Kinney, and the Estates of John Hersey, Howard Zinn, and Norman Mailer. Ike is listed in The Best Lawyers in America (in every edition since 1991); The Top 100 Massachusetts Super Lawyers from 2004 – 2019 for entertainment, first amendment, and media law; Fortune Magazine’s Top-Rated Lawyer in Intellectual Property Law (2010-2018); and he was selected as a “2013 Top Rated Lawyer in Intellectual Property Law” by American Lawyer Media. He is the recipient of the American Jewish Committee’s 2005 Judge Learned Hand Award and Middlesex School’s 2011 Henry Cabot Lodge Award for public service.

Ike is the author of The Shores of Bohemia: A Cape Cod Story 1910-1960 (Farrar, Straus & Giroux, 2022), a rousing account of the artists and political revolutionaries who made the Cape a hub of American culture in the early twentieth century.

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Jimmy Tingle 0:05
Hello everybody, this is Jimmy, welcome to another episode of the Jimmy tingle show. I’m very excited today to introduce my friend and he just came out with a new book that is just fantastic. I want to read a little bit of his bio for you. John Taylor Ike Williams, a founder of niram and Williams literary agency specializes in biography history, politics, natural science and anthropology. He is a member of the NEA literary panel chair with the Boston Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights co chair of the fine arts work center, a member of the advisory board of the biography conference, and he is a former director of the Boston Book Festival. As a lawyer. I specializes in intellectual property. That’s where I come in, ladies and gentlemen, the intellectual property and First Amendment litigate and First Amendment litigation as well as a comic, particularly in publishing film, television and news and new media. I guess the author of the shores of Bohemia, a Cape Cod story 1910 to 1960, arousing account of the artists and political revolutionaries who made the cape a hub of American culture in the earliest 20 is in the early 20th century. I just want to read one review. To start off. This is from Drew Faust, author of The Republic of suffering death in the American Civil War. Drew writes a cornucopia of characters, whose lives in the first half of the 20th century made the outer reaches of Cape Cod, a site of exuberant, artistic creativity, and social and political experimentation. The bohemian world eek Williams depicts will fascinate readers interested in the winds and tides of modern American culture, as well as those of us today who walk the capes, beaches and swim and its waters. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show, the one and the only Mr. Ike Williams. How are you like?

Ike Williams 1:56
Hello, Jimmy? Good to see you again.

Jimmy Tingle 2:00
To you again. Yes, yes, I went to your reading the other night at the at the Harvard bookstore. It was great. It was great to be in the same room with you and so many other people who have read the book and just got the book recently. And it’s just fun to see you in action, talking about this labor of love that you’ve been working on for a while. Number one, how long have you been working on this book? And number two, what made you want to write this book?

Ike Williams 2:28
Too long? Here’s the answer.

With no having had two jobs running a literary agency in a law firm, there wasn’t a lot of side time three boys.

is dedicated to my wife. I think you knew no.

No, no Hall. And yeah.

And of course, I didn’t start out dedicating it to work as we worked a bit on it together.


then after her death, I sort of stopped for a while and then I regained my speed. And so it came out May 17. From Pharaoh Strauss and I was damn glad to finish it. That’s great. Well, it’s a real masterpiece of just a captures the time in history from 1910 to 1960, primarily focusing on province town, Wellfleet, intro in the cast of characters that showed up there on those shores, from that time period, what made you want to, you know, focus on that cast of characters in that time period. I didn’t know that part of the world at all. I’m a Gloucester kid. I think I’d been over the canal once in my lifetime, before I went, according my wife and Wellesley, her dad was a painter and architect of note,

pretty, pretty, pretty, Bohemian, individual. And up through my wife and her family, I was introduced to a lot of the people that are in this book, that were just beginning to vanish off the scene. And they so fascinated me that I thought, I don’t think anybody’s ever written a group portrait of this incredible two generations of a very political activist, intellectual artistic people who just came to this very small place. I mean, 1910, the only two ways you could get to Provincetown were by the dayboat from Boston and good weather or the fish boat from New York, from Atlanta and Fall River and then you can take the train into Provincetown was no highway then on the roads were all sand even if you had a car. So it was a very remote place. And it remained remote, almost right through 1960 Because the book ends in 1960. Because not only does this political period end in 1960, as far as I’m concerned with the end of liberalism and the two defeats of Bradley Stevenson in the Democratic primaries, but also the creation of the National Seashore, which in some sense is

both sides of the actual beach part, but they’d run out of money. So they only got up as far as Dennis. I mean, the objective was to go all the way to the canal. And it turned it into America’s playground. And so every piece of unbuilt land was built on. So it’s a much different looking place than it was during that 50 year period. So it’s about a group of people that inhabited that very different place for 50 years. But I was just so fascinated by them, whether they were architects or political activists, or writers or

designers, painters, it was just just a great

pleasure to know them all. And many of them I represented either as a lawyer or as a literary agent as time went by. But I realized there were all kinds of biographies of Mary McCarthy or Edmund Wilson or John Dos Passos, John Lee, there wasn’t a group portrait of these people. And what motivated this kind of culture they had during this period. And I thought, I’ll take a whack at it. And that’s what you got. Yeah. Well, you did a fascinating job. And what I found really interesting is that they most of them migrated up from Greenwich Village in New York, in the early 1900s, around starting around 1910. And they were living in the village, it must have been a great respite to go from New York, you know, Greenwich Village, and 1900, probably a pretty gritty place to the wilds of Cape Cod, the Outer Cape, particularly at a time when it wasn’t very, very developed at all. All three were fishing communities. I mean, they’d started as whaling communities, then they’d moved to COD, and there’s the cod, move north to herring, and now that they were fished out, basically. So there were lots of empty fish piers and of fish shacks, and a lot of people were out of work. The land had been stripped of timber and early farming, as it settled in the 17th century, very little topsoil. So there’s a hard way to make a living if there is fishing, so there was a lot of empty housing and cheap land for sale in 1910. And in the village in 1910, Bohemia was beginning to attract tourists already into the village. Now, you couldn’t call yourself a bohemian, if you lived above 15th Street. So you’ll live right in those streets that radiate around Washington Square from the Stanford White big arch. They’re at the end of the avenue. And they were all in little tiny streets embedded with this huge immigrant population of Italian, Irish and shoes that had come during the Civil War period for Irish and Italian shortly thereafter, then enormous amounts of Jews during the pogroms just before the 1900s in Czarist Russia, so it was an enormous sort of hotbed of reform people trying to reform both politics and the working conditions of labor. And remember, in those days,

if you’re a worker, you worked six days a week, 10 hours a day, that man, woman and child, so I mean, it was a very tough position for workers who have suddenly working in these enormous mines, textile mills that hadn’t existed before the Civil War. So there’s a lot of uprising about this condition of the American lower sort of classes, and economic classes. So it’s a really vibrant period. And it draws all these young people to work in the village and in journalism, or reform, working in settlement houses of teaching in the public school systems in New York, which were really how all these immigrants made their climatization into American culture was also a great public school system. So it was a vibrant period. But it was it was very expensive, even then to live in New York.

when they began to discover Provincetown, they found that it was barely cheap housing to be had.

It was really they were led by a woman who was both active in the world of Greenwich Village, built around the masses magazine, which was the magazine to the left of the progressive socialist, which all of these people belong to those two parties.

And Mary Heaton for us, actually, she was born and up in the Berkshires, her family on the Red Lion in stock. And she’d been to Europe as a young girl spoke four languages very sophisticated. But for whatever reason, she’d fallen into the American labor movement in the progressive and socialist, and she become an expert on both European labor movements and the American labor. Remember, we’re starting with the International Women’s garment workers union and the wobblies, International Workers of the World. AFL CIO. This is a big period of union organizing, she was very active, and she recruited all these friends of hers who also contributed to the masses.

The common stay in rent or buy in Provincetown for 1900. On Charles Hawthorne, it also opened his famous School of Painting, just four years before 1910 and beginning to attract the very best young painters in America. So It suddenly became a place where all sorts of political activists, writers and painters, finding a home and a cheap home. Boy, della was the editor of the masters at one point, referred to Provincetown as Greenwich Village, sunburn.

That’s sort of the setting.

Jimmy Tingle 10:35
So I have to tell you, I’ve been going down to the cape for years. And I would guess that most people in Massachusetts or New England or the country for that matter, don’t really know about the early history of the cape, especially the Outer Cape with that intellectual dimension. Now, when these folks were coming down there where they come in, just down for the summer, as a way to, you know, relax and have fun and just explore creativity and and party because I know there’s a lot of party in this going on in your book. There’s a lot of partying, and there’s a lot of shenanigans going on in this book. But it was that part of the motivation just to get out of town.

Ike Williams 11:15
We could set the table about the Bohemians. Remember, this was a period where all of these young people were breaking away from the Victorian mores. The women didn’t want to be just someone who raised children and the husband led a career at a social life and they stayed at home with the kids, these young women wanted the same life as men. They were called the new women. And they rallied around all of the women who were seeking to vote for women. Remember, women had no vote until 1929. So for 19 years, they have no vote. So they’re very active in suffrage. Margaret Sanger, who summers every summer in Provincetown, had created birth control. And that, of course, was controversial. But for women, it was an enormous feeling of that maybe they didn’t have to have a child every time they became pregnant. They also felt that they should have the same sort of romantic life, whether they were affairs before marriage or even affairs, after marriage as the men were having. So it was a radical period for men and women. Both sexually and romantically. Marriages didn’t last a long time often. They weren’t particularly great parents. They were really focused on their careers and politics. And the kids had to sort of thrive on their own. But many of these people had thrived on their own anyway, like Emma Goldman had come as a young girl out of the Lithuanian pale No, and went to work and textile factory in New York 16. A lot of them were immigrants. Big Bill Haywood, the fount one of the founders of the wobblies, international workers, the world had gone into the minds of 12 that had been a pony express writer. And a lot of them come from fancy universities, Harvard and Princeton, and lots of them from the middle west to so they all met in Greenwich Village, they found one of course, once they could get their living was cheap. It was beautiful weather in the summer. And many of them then stayed on to paint or to write, found it easier to begin to realize they could, if they had any success at all. Buildings were incredibly cheap. You could buy a woodlot or Wellfleet for $1,500. It might not have a road member, none of these houses that heat or sewage Anyway, before the 30s. So it was cheap to live there. And most people found if they were on a creative Jag, they stay there until they finish their book. You mentioned Norman Mailer. I mean, I mean, Norman loves writing Brahmas down, I just found it, a place that seem to go out to

Jimmy Tingle 13:56
how did some of these literary giants ended up there? For example, Eugene O’Neill. How does Eugene O’Neill end up in Provincetown? And what about what time was that?

Ike Williams 14:06
He comes down in 1916 on the dayboat, Dorothy Bradford from Boston, with an old Irish revolutionary alcoholic, who’d been a deckhand with him on tramp Steamers. O’Neill had dropped out of Princeton already heavy drinker, a son of a famous sort of actor, that period, James O’Neill, of which he wrote many displays about his father’s mother, and brother. And then he was a deckhand. But this particular summer he had gone to study with George Baker at a playwriting class at Harvard that was famous. And he had a bunch of plays you’ve written and this his Irish friend said to one of the couples who had started in theater down there, from plays they were already performing in New York and Greenwich Village, they decided to create a little Theater Company. All the Provincetown players have missed on the front porch of the house. And O’Neill was introduced by his. His shipmate, he said, you know, this guy has a bunch of plays. And so they said, Well, why don’t you read us one and O’Neill was so shy that he had to have someone else read it. It was the first play of this Glencairn cycle that made O’Neill’s career outperformed promised on players but about the life of these cans on this tramp steamer, the Glencairn so that and he, he just finds Provincetown, perfect for him. He’s an alcoholic, but he’s an interesting alcoholic. Oh, Neil would never write while he drank. You said nothing I’ve ever written all I drank was any good. So he would go sober when he wrote all his plays, and he wrote the one the gonna win win the Nobel Prize for playwriting and 9022. I mean, but the next year, he was hopelessly drunken. I mean, if that’s what his life was until late in his life in the 40s, but he found Provincetown, just as Tennessee Williams did another alcoholic, but for some reason, Provincetown worked for them. They couldn’t stop drinking when they wanted to really create Williams as best plays are all written obviously. Many of the painters who were heavy drinkers found Provincetown. But alcohol was considered a muse for bohemians, and it was just part of their life. They’ve viewed drinking as part of sort of Athenian way of binding the views and joy in their lives. And obviously, it led to a lot of damage to but as you said, it led to a lot of party anyway, and a lot of creativity.

Jimmy Tingle 16:44
So they would go there, Tennessee Williams, Eugene O’Neill, Norman Mailer, when does he show up there and what works does he turn out while he was there?

Ike Williams 16:53
Baylor is at Harvard, and he has a girlfriend at BU. And she brings him down to Provincetown. He’s never been there. He’s a New Jersey kid. And he finds it fascinating. And he starts a novel there. He had been working in a mental hospital in Waltham while he was at Harvard. And the title of the book he was writing about this time in this mental hospital was the Naked and the Dead event, emitted out of Harvard, he’s drafted. And he writes all these letters to her from the Philippines, where he’s serving about the war. And that’s becomes the naked head, which he finishes in Provincetown, keeping the title of his first book. And after that, almost every book, he writes, is predominantly written in Provincetown.

Jimmy Tingle 17:44
So was he coming down just for the summers or was he was he living there year round.

Ike Williams 17:50
He lived there whenever he was writing. I mean, he lived in Brooklyn, he always had a house in Brooklyn. I love Brooklyn, and he loved Provincetown. And he bounced back and forth. You know, if the muse was singing to him in Brooklyn, and right in Brooklyn, remember, he was a co owner of The Village Voice for a while and he ran for mayor in New York, with Jimmy Breslin, they ran into ticket. So he spent time and all of these people are really active in radical politics, whether it’s Henry Wallace, Communist Party, aggressive, socialist, liberal parties. So you have to be in New York for much of that, where it, whether it’s union work, or just activist work, so they’re back and forth all the time. But it’s the it’s no longer just a summer place. It’s a creative place. I mean, Hans Hoffman, who ran the great painting school that created abstract expressionism in America, spent eight months a year there. And then he had a school in New York for four months. He spent eight months there, from May to October every year. So it was it became a place where you if if you got in gear and what you were creating, you’re just stayed.

Jimmy Tingle 19:01
Tell me about the province town place because that’s just a legendary story. In the world of theater, it was a theater on a pier, right? Is that right? I don’t on a wharf in Provincetown. And you Eugene O’Neill and others produce some of their earliest and most successful works. They’re

Ike Williams 19:20
right that that pier isn’t there anymore. But I mentioned Mary Heaton Voris, who started inviting all these people to join her in Provincetown, the labor activist and brighter Mary house was opposite appear, which she owned. The other side of the street jutting out into the harbor, and at the end of it was a large fish house, which she’d given to a friend’s wife who was a painter. And I told you about these people that were beginning to perform plays at the liberal club in New York, and then bring them down to New York. And these were people like John Reed and Louise Bryan and all these people. Were also writing Dorothy Day was an actress in them. I mean, all these people had to say principal they were acting in New York and then coming down and acting again in these plays in the summer, many of them written by these people like Susan Glasspool and Jake Coker was a main stage of organizing this theater. So they were all writing and acting on it. And then this moment when O’Neill display is read, and they say this is what we’re looking for, we want an American theme in our plays. We don’t want to be mimicking Europe. All of these people are trying to create a new American voice meeting and writing and everything. And so they see O’Neal is when he concentrates on average people, farmers working men, sailors, and that’s what they all want to ground their work in. So that theater then moves to New York, the pier goes down and hurricane but the Playhouse moves to New York and Greenwich Village, it moves three times. It probably really closes its doors about 1940 in New York, but O’Neill continues to right place for it in New York as well. And Jake cook and Susan Glasspool who organized the theater, moved to New York to organize it again. And there it becomes a major place. I mean, that’s where Paul Robeson plays in all God’s children. And nobody’s seen a black actor in in a romantic situation with a white woman of the Ku Klux Klan threatened to blow up the theater 1000s of Ku Klux Klan owners came in, the mayor of New York tried to close it down. So it was a very controversial theater, it was putting on things about America that Americans hadn’t seen before.

Jimmy Tingle 21:53
Do you think I that the that whole early movement of the early 1900s, up to the 1960 lent itself to the modern women’s movement, gay rights movement, civil rights movement, political activism? It seems like the a lot of the roots that we find today, and our culture started there, is that correct?

Ike Williams 22:20
I really, that’s what attracted me to the idea of a group portrait of these people. Because, I mean, the thing about Bohemia is, it’s totally tolerant. There’s no interest in your ethnicity, your race, or your class. It’s just, you know, what do you got, as Robert Pinsky used to say, I mean, what can you offer me creativity? And if you know if there was a romantic potential, that was good, too, but it was about what what kind of creativity? Have you gotten it? So Judeo, Christian, Catholic, man, woman, gay, straight, it really didn’t make any difference? Remember, it’s also set in probably the most tolerant places in America, which are seaports. Provincetown was a naval base in both the First World War in the second world, and towns with navies tend to peak on naval bases. So so there was lots of drinking and sex. You know, it wasn’t these these fishermen it’s ain’t at all, you know, Portuguese and Yankees. So it was a place where people felt safe. Women felt safe to be independent. Lots of homosexuals came there earlier long before we think of Provincetown as a as a gay summer place. It was a very gay creative place. I mean, obviously, Tennessee Williams, but you can go on and on many of the painters and writers came there because it was very tolerant place. And that’s early on my talking about 20s 30s

Jimmy Tingle 23:56
and the locals Ike what was their reaction to this influx of New Yorkers and socialist and, you know, gay folks and women’s liberation folks who, how are the Portuguese fishermen reacting and the Yankees? How are they reacting?

Ike Williams 24:13
Well, the Portuguese fishermen were pretty full blooded lot. I mean, if they were pretty girls who wanted to really go out with a real fisherman, there was plenty of action in the bars and stuff. The Portuguese wives were, of course, a much more conservative lot deeply Catholic, many of them born on the mainland are in the verities, and then on the off islands. Oddly enough, they were the first to realize when we’re talking about the gay community, that there was money to be made because the Yankees were not very interested in renting their their places or having them in their hotels, whereas the Portuguese began boarding houses in the 20s and 30s. And then created all the good nightclubs the Radek house, you know, Eartha Kitt and Lena Horne has all of these Break singers came down. But this was a club basically for a gay and straight mixed clientele. And there were lots of clubs along commercial street. Almost all of them but fortunately. I mean, if you read even the papers, you almost never see any fights about someone’s sexuality or attacks on women. It was it was a really safe place. I’m not saying that they didn’t you know, caucus snuck it. Some of these Bohemians Of course they did. I mean, right. These were deeply Catholic, traditional Portuguese fishermen. On the other hand, they all drank and became the center of rum running. And and because of the bohemians, there was a very good market for all the booze that these Portuguese and Yankee rum runners could bring into Provincetown harbor. So there was a lot of back and forth between the two groups.

Jimmy Tingle 25:53
That’s good. So is it they lived in? They lived in harmony is what you’re saying they lived in harmony, even though the rest of the country hadn’t caught up to this potentially harmonious relationship? Oh, yeah, the

Ike Williams 26:04
Portuguese. And the Yankees didn’t live in so much harmony, the Portuguese live in the West End, still do and Provincetown. And then with the wasps, Yankees lived in the East End, even though they were all fishermen. So there was plenty of territorial stuff. But as far as the Bohemians went, as long as they were good customers, and they provided pretty women for the town. I think that we’re very welcome.

Jimmy Tingle 26:31
So like, when did you start coming down to the lower cape on a regular basis?

Ike Williams 26:38
Well, I came down just as the period that I write about ended 1960. I beamed out according my wife, who was a painter in 1967. And two years later, we bought an old house in Wellfleet. It was the house where Mary McCarthy moved to with her new husband, after she left Edmund Wilson, and wrote this kind of famous acid bath novel about all these Bohemians in Wellfleet. And federal called a charmed life. And in the studio, that was on the land next to the house, the partisan review, which was the magazine of the liberal period that championed the rights of workers and a much more fair allocation of wealth and resources. They moved to this sort of more liberal movement and the partisan review was kind of their magazine of choice. And it was edited in that studio. Arthur sledging or at a summer house and Wellfleet growth age of Jackson there, which one? It was surprised that year. So that I already was deep into it when I when I bought that place. And as I said, my father in law was a painter and architect and, you know, all these Bauhaus architects who settled in Thoreau after they had to flee Germany in the 30s is Hitler. Close the Bauhaus and many of them were intermarried with Jews or were Jewish, like and insky and, and Marcel Royer, and so they had to flee and most of them ended up with summerhouses and Wellfleet. And he was as an architect very close to them as a painter. He was very close to all the painters, and, and he was pretty far to the left. He had a farm on Benbrook Island and above his vegetable stand, it said no Trotskyites in those days in Wellfleet, in in 1934, when Roosevelt becomes president, I can’t find a bohemian on the lower cape and voted for him. They were all either members of the Communist Party or are socialists. In his next election in 38. They come around to him, they thought he was just a patrician in sheep’s clothing, and was just going to do the same old game of talking liberal but being conservative. But as they watched him deal with a depression. They became enormous fans, but not for the first four years as they watched him deal with incredible depression, which was an enormous effect on all these people. And that’s a mainstay of these people. I mean, they are true believers that America can be a much fairer place for men, women, blacks, Jews, everybody that they see being discriminated against during this period. They have really strong feelings about equality. They have really strong feelings about the misallocation of wealth. I mean, the idea that a worker is dismissed with no pension, after years had a boss who runs a bad company is is given a huge golden parachute. I mean, that just it just drove him crazy.

Jimmy Tingle 29:59
And so that their values, their political values were reflected in their work. So even Norman

Ike Williams 30:03
Mailer read the Barbary shores. I mean, Norman, you know, it was a very big campaigner for Henry Wallace who ran, you know, after Roosevelt died, he ran against Truman for the, the Democratic in the Democratic primary, he was much more in the left room,

Jimmy Tingle 30:22
still attracting the same type of people. It was still attracting the artistic people with a set of values who are using their work, whether it was as a playwrights or writers or musicians or comics or whatever, to just reflect the values. I know you’re going to be speaking at the Wellfleet library soon, right.

Ike Williams 30:42
It’s the it’s the center of social life or intellectual life. In Wellfleet, it’s just one of the one of the light the librarian just a few years ago, when the the Librarian of the Year award in the United States. I mean, it’s that good a library. Wow. It’s a great library.

Jimmy Tingle 30:59
Wow. So it’s still a wonderful place. And of course, not to mention all the art galleries in Provincetown, and all the performance spaces there and the W O Mr. Radio station there, that that really does great avant garde work. And they have, you know, just a wonderful lineup of they keep it local, but it’s also universal in the sense of they’re dealing with global issues all the time, politics, art, culture, whatever. And the same with Turo with Kevin Reiss at the Payment Center for the Performing Arts in Toronto.

Ike Williams 31:32
The Toronto Center for the Arts has been really row center for the arts and the Provincetown Art Association and Museum and the fine arts work center in Provincetown. I mean, those three institutions have been there. They were founded almost during this period. I mean, they were after 1960, but they were in the in the late 60s and early 70s. And they’ve really continued just what you’re saying Jimmy about bearing on this place that makes it a comfortable place for young writers and painters to get the footing on Jephson, as you mentioned, Howard son, Jeff is the one who reads the book, this book for the audio.

Jimmy Tingle 32:10
Oh, great. When is that going to come out? No, it’s out.

Ike Williams 32:13
You can get Blackstone audio? Oh, 11 hours of Jeff reading it. Oh, great.

Jimmy Tingle 32:18
I would prefer to listen and walk and listen to it. It’s just easier than me, you know, sitting down and reading for me anyway. But that’s great. Yeah. Anyway,

Ike Williams 32:31
Jeff. Jeff does a brilliant job. And of course, he knew he grew up with all these

Jimmy Tingle 32:34
people. I’ll tell you something about the Wellfleet audiences. And this goes for the Cape in general, in my experience, they are the best audiences. They are so good. They appreciate comedy, they appreciate theater. They appreciate good writing. They appreciate art. They’re just wonderfully supportive people. Yes. When you’re going to be at the library.

Ike Williams 32:57
I’m at the library in August with with Elena candidate, if you ever heard her speak down there. She’s a human rights lawyer based in England. Now I

Jimmy Tingle 33:07
get people want to find out when you’re doing your book readings or things like at the Wellfleet library. Where would they find that schedule?

Ike Williams 33:16
Let’s see the publisher has it Pharaoh Straus and Giroux, but

Jimmy Tingle 33:20
do you have a website?

Ike Williams 33:23
Well, they could, they’re free to email me. I could shores or And I’m glad to

Jimmy Tingle 33:30
Okay. We’ll put that in. We’ll put that in the show notes in this show Ike at shores of I just like a

Ike Williams 33:40
no brainer choice of Bohemia Dutch was

Jimmy Tingle 33:42
a bohemian, which is the name of the book. It’s a it’s a fun read, I want I want to finish it, I might finish it listening to Jeff Zinn in my year as a walk around the Charles River or maybe in Wellfleet. But it’s a fun read. And it brings back to a time that a lot of people don’t realize the real roots of the Outer Cape. And it’s a fascinating to find all these incredible people in one place, and that their work is still being carried on in the tradition of making the country a better country through whatever means people are able to do so again, I congratulations on the book. It’s a great read. And I encourage folks to go out and get it. You know,

Ike Williams 34:20
the Wellfleet general market runs a really nice bookstore. Yes. Stephen Russell. Yep. Gemini has been a privilege. You know, we’ve known each other a long time, but we’ve never done one of these.

Jimmy Tingle 34:31
No, we never have. So it’s a lot of fun. By the way, that’s where I got the book. I got it was 15% off down at the Wellfleet general market used to be Leamas. I still call it Lemus and Stephen Russell sold it to me. He says, I said why is it 15% Off he goes, we do 15% off to all the new publications. I said what a great deal. And that’s another way that the town supports the arts. So I thank you so much for joining us today. Congratulations, continued success and I’ll see you On the shores of Bohemia, I’ve been looking forward to that. Thank you for joining us today. This has been a human for humanity production. Our mission is your mission, Schumer for humanity. Jimmy Thank you

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