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From Abuse to Forgiveness, with Geoff Thompson

This week’s video podcast is on the topic of forgiveness.

Our guest, Geoff Thompson, is a sexual abuse survivor, best-selling author, screenwriter, and martial arts expert. He shares his riveting experience, hope, and love in his new book “99 Reasons to Forgive and Revenge Ain’t One.”

In the spirit of the holidays, we sat down to discuss the process of forgiveness and how we can practice it in our own lives.

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Transcript – Please note, this Transcript is AI Generated. It has not had the discerning ears of a real human to edit it, as such, there are bound to be a few errors

Jimmy Tingle 0:05
Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of our show. This is a really different interview today. I’m talking to an author currently living in England, a very world renowned author, screenwriter. I’m really interesting gentleman martial arts expert, crazy, very accomplished writer. His latest book is 99 reasons to forgive and revenge ain’t won. Mr. Jeff Thompson is a British Academy of Film and Television Arts Award winning screenwriter Penny multi award winning films for luminaries such as Ray Winstone and Orlando Bloom. Jeff is among the world’s leading highest ranking self defense and martial arts instructors that prestigious a black belt magazine USA hold him as the most influential martial artist in the world since Bruce Lee Jeff Thompson was sexually abused at the tender age of 11 by a trusted and beloved teacher. By the time he was 30 years old, he was unconsciously displaying his rage into violence, sexual self harm, and long bouts of depression. In this deeply empirical study, Thompson reveals the true definition and the incredible power of forgiveness, clearly defining the difference between forgiving someone and letting them off the hook. Please welcome to the show, Mr. Jeff Thompson, the author of the new book 99 reasons to forgive and revenge ain’t one. Jeff, welcome to the show.

Geoff Thompson 1:42
Thank you, Jim. It’s a real honor to be talking to you. Very great, very grateful for the opportunity to come on your show.

Jimmy Tingle 1:49
Well, it’s our pleasure. And Geoff, I

Geoff Thompson 1:51
have you have funny bones every time I look at you, I just want to smile. You’re You’re so funny. You’ve got such a great energy.

Jimmy Tingle 1:58
Well, thank you. I’m not a great reader of the bio, but I do have good energy. I have to admit that my listeners will give me that I do have good energy. But the reading of the tape on the bio is always a little bit of a struggle for me.

Geoff Thompson 2:14
Anyway, worst thing that happens to us today, we’re doing okay, aren’t we? Oh, we’re doing

Jimmy Tingle 2:19
great. We’re doing great. But I thank you for doing the show today. And I really, I had never met you before and you publicists sent us this review of the book and the books getting great reviews. And I wanted to just start off tell us what happened when you were 11. And how you came to be the man you are today?

Geoff Thompson 2:40
Well, I’ll tell you what happened. But I also want to stipulate that and I’ll tell you in a second. But I want to stipulate that this this isn’t kind of a story retelling of my terrible past. This is kind of I want people to know from the very beginning, that there’s life after abuse, that there is treasure in the ruins my life is better because of what happened to me. Because it’s sent me on a journey of of deep inquiry. So we’re saying to people out there of the listening now, no matter what’s happened to you, you know, there is post abuse, you know, expansion, you can use this experience, wherever your experiences to live not only a balanced life, but a better life. My life is beautiful, because this happened because it set me on a path of inquiry. But at the age of 11, obviously, it didn’t feel like that. I had a beloved martial arts teacher who groomed me and sexually assaulted me. And at the age of 11, it put me out by probably by about that much, you know, not very much didn’t feel like it. But by the time I was in my 30s, I was a country mile out. I was psychotic, be angry, psychotically jealous. I self harmed or sexually self harmed. I was either deeply depressed, or I was lashing out in anger. I was bipolar in the sense that I want one day I felt like I could change the world literally given I didn’t feel like I knew I could. And then the next year I couldn’t change my socks, because I’ve lost my power of well. So this happened to me at the age of 11. The debilitating thing about it wasn’t so much the abuse itself. It was the parasite of grooming. So it left me cognitively dissonant. So I was absolutely massively confused about what happened to me. Because one minute you’ve got this teacher that I loved and when I was 11. So I loved him. I idolized him I was this star pupil in the class. And the next minute, we’re all staying in This Boy’s Club overnight to repair marks and we’ve got this adventure and we’re all camping down in combat and the next thing I wake up and this beloved teacher has turned into a monster. No. And I’m terrified. I mean, I’m literally terrified. You know, the next morning I’m sobbing, you know, and he’s obviously terrified because he’s thinking, he’s going to tell somebody, and he makes me promise not to tell anybody. But he doesn’t need to do that, because I’m so afraid of anybody knowing anyway, I’m so ashamed of what’s happened. So I buried this. I didn’t tell anybody about it. I didn’t talk about it. So this parasitical virus, because, you know, abuses possession, there’s no doubt about that somebody puts a negative cognition, or, or a parasitical belief in you. And over time, if that’s not released and cleaned, it expands. And it steals your autonomy still, you know, every decision I made, every single decision I made in my life from the age of 11, was determined by that one instant, everything came through that filter, because I was so afraid of it happening again. So, you know, it left me very depressed. It left me very dissonant and confused. It left me still with this ambition to create, and to do something with my life, but with this tremendous fear of stepping beyond that fear barrier, because I didn’t trust anybody. At that point. Because this parasitemia was growing. I didn’t trust my parents, I didn’t trust my teachers. I didn’t even trust myself, I didn’t trust my own hands. So it was a very dark world for me. I went into the martial arts, you know, because I was excited about, you know, kind of learning to defend myself and these exotic doing these exotic martial arts and my first experience was, the teacher abused me. Later, I ventured back into the martial arts and use the martial arts as a way to try and build my strength and build my character because I was so afraid of everything. I was actually afraid to live. And the martial arts did a did a good amount for me. It built me up to a certain level. And it enabled me to confront the demons in the world, but it didn’t enable me to look inside and go to the root of my problem and get rid of this. This virus that had been left inside me that I’ve grown and that I’d stolen much of my autonomy.

Jimmy Tingle 7:31
Did you get into alcohol or drugs? Or how were you lashing out how were you channeling that anger? I know you will legitimately channeling into martial arts, but will you channel it into other unacceptable behaviors?

Geoff Thompson 7:47
Well, self harm so if you look at my my hands are all smashed up. If you look at my ears, my ears are all cauliflower. I’ve had my nose broken in several places, places I won’t go again. Jimmy, right. So I was when I was a little boy, I looked like a girl. I was pretty. And I was very skinny. And unconsciously, I damaged myself and destroyed all of that prettiness to keep any other kind of creditors away from it was very unconscious. I covered myself in war paint, so on my body is full of tattoos. I’ve built my body into a into a machine into an armory, our back is massive, was 16 stone at one point, I learned to kill in 30 different languages. I did everything I could to make myself unattractive to predators, and frightening to anybody that wants to try and step across that threshold. I even became a nightclub bouncer. I overcame all of my fears. And I became a nightclub bouncer to try and gain some kind of confidence and courage. But because it was misplaced, I ended up becoming very violent myself like the Nietzsche saying be careful when you hunt the dragon that you don’t become the dragon. So I lashed out I mean I was I was prolifically violent I was in 1000s of violent situations I was in hundreds of fights. And I was very, very brutal and very unkind. And I became my guest the bully, you know, that I was trying to defeat in the world. But it was once working on the door. And whilst being involved in this violence I saw the truth you know, these monsters that I was fighting for projections from this parasite that had inside me, you know, this demonic cognate cognition this this negative belief when I realized the problem wasn’t in the world. In other words, I was my my own life energy was coming through the filter As of, of extreme severe distrust, and I was projecting that into the world, so everybody was in any way to me. So I was in 1000s of fights, because I was creating enemies with my own perception, forgetting not created them, then I was, then I was, contriving techniques and strategies to defeat to to to defeat the very enemies I was creating and forgetting, once I realized that the problem wasn’t in the world. It was the problem was in me, so I was trying to fix the problem at the level of the screen. I’m in a cinema, and I’m trying to fix the problems at the level of the screen. When I realized the problem wasn’t at the level of the screen, it was at the projector, it was the film. So I eventually started to turn inwards. And this is the Budo end of the martial arts and started to work on higher perceptions working with a higher part of my being. And just to kill the perception is at the level at the geometric point at the Genesis. So rather than trying to fix the world of just coming in and fixing the world of May,

Jimmy Tingle 11:06
what was the turning point that what was the impetus to see this in your own behavior? Was that you said the Buddha? Did you say that? Yeah, the Budo of martial arts, what is it? What exactly is that?

Geoff Thompson 11:22
It’s the esoteric end of the martial arts. So instead of trying to fix the world and go to war with the world, you go inside, and you unify yourself, where you’re where you are, whether whether any kind of breaks or conflict, so I wasn’t a unified being. I was 10 or 20 different personalities. Like most people, I didn’t know who know who I was, it didn’t trust my own hands in the dark. I hadn’t got control of my physical body, I hadn’t got control of my breath, body hadn’t good. got control of my mind, my mind or my intellect or even my own will force. So I started to, I started to turn inwards and get control of my body to unify it in a way that I could. I could create enough energy to do a, a kind of rigorous investigation on what reality really is.

Jimmy Tingle 12:13
Okay. So tell me, how does forgiveness come into this? Who do you start with the forgiveness? Are you forgiving? The abuser? Are you forgiving yourself? Are you tried to forgive the circumstances? And what? What’s the process of forgiveness? What can listeners take away? As they’re maybe holding these lifelong resentments towards whatever it is their circumstances, their abuse, their the unfairness of life? What is that like?

Geoff Thompson 12:45
Well, the main thing you do when you when you start to do an investigation, you do the rigor, or what Gurdjieff would call the work. And you start to work in words, you start if you’d like somebody like me, I tried to get justice, through through the judiciary legally didn’t work. You got to practically catch pedophiles in the act if you’re going to convict them. That didn’t work for me. So the judiciary didn’t work for me. I tried to be physical, I tried to be violent or try to solve our problems. With physical violence. That didn’t work either. Every time I took a head off, another head grew in its place. So I would that was at those you know, that anger, the resentment bound me to the very nature of my abuser. So I recognize that that wasn’t helping. I tried all that I’ve tried, and it failed me.

Jimmy Tingle 13:40
Did you physically go after your abuser and try to locate him?

Geoff Thompson 13:45
I, I didn’t meet him until I was ready to forgive him. Okay. Until that time, I was displaced in my my rage on anybody that came into my world. That’s why I became a bouncer. That’s why I became an elite martial artist with a naive displacement. I thought that I could fix this problem. I thought I could, could fix it with a physical tool, you know, you know, defeat violence with violence, but it just made it worse. It was like that kind of violent action was like food for the parasite that was in me just fed. It just made it stronger. Right. So pain bodies, feed off pain bodies, drama, feeds off drama. So when I realized that wasn’t working, I thought, I’ve got to find something else. I’ve got to find out what does this work? So I started to look at internal techniques, internal modalities, I started to explore forgiveness, and forgiveness I recognized wasn’t letting somebody off. Forgiveness was recognizing that when somebody abuses ya, they entangle with you. It’s like quantum entanglement. They’re bound here, even if you’re separated by time and space, even if you’re separated. By mortality if there if you were abused the doors, they’re still inside. Yeah. And they’re still abusing ya, even over space and time even in separation, because they’ve left a parasite in Yeah, they’ve left a, a negative belief in you that is growing and needs to come out. So I started to work on forgiveness as a way of giving this person over to the powerful forces of reciprocity or karma, or, or the the law of equal and opposite returns, whatever you want to call it, or recognize that he was bound to him by my anger, I was bound to him by my dissonance, I was bound to him by my rage and by my need for witness revenge. So I didn’t understand, I didn’t understand that. Every time I got angry, it fed the parasite in me, and it fed him over over a distance. So I needed to sever that connection I needed to I needed to divorce myself from it.

Jimmy Tingle 16:02
Given this as the week of Passover and Easter. Did you have any religious affiliations that helped you? Or did you? Were you working entirely on your own? Did you talk to any people, you know, professionals, either therapist or spiritual leaders, or clergy people, or rabbis or anything like that, or you can pretty much do on your own?

Geoff Thompson 16:22
Yeah, I’m deeply religious. And it’s not dissimilar to Passover. Because when I when I, if you imagine that I, if you imagine that I was bound to my abuser, by the abuse, and by my confusion and anger, my Exodus, which is what Passover is, you know, celebrating my exodus was when I let go of my jailer, let go of the person, you know, the person that was enslaving me, by forgiving him, not by letting him off, but by giving him over to God by giving him over to reciprocity. So that was my Exodus, that was my way of freeing myself. I mean, in in the Torah, in the esoteric end of tour in the Kabbalah, they talk of Egypt as, as representing the, the adverse forces or the, I think they call it the CETA act, teacher, Accra, or the ego, or the, you know, the kind of demonic ego. So we separate ourselves from the ego and from the evil inclination, by severing that type by severing the tie with any association with negativity. So we learned that was love everything that breathes, even the people that abused us.

Jimmy Tingle 17:40
So this was a spiritual transformation that you went through as much as more than an intellectual.

Geoff Thompson 17:47
Yeah, you won’t fix it on an international on the on the intellectual level, Jimmy intellect is okay to get you so far. Physical and psychological counseling, they’ll get you so far, this is a this is a metaphysical problem, it needs a spiritual solution, the spiritual solution is to recognize I don’t have the power to forgive, that’s not a human power, I don’t have the power to, to pardon. So I needed to deep to to add the new denotation. To forgiveness. Forgiveness means to give it over to God, it means to give it over to reciprocity, it means to trust that what you know that his bill will be met, if I can give it over. Once I realized I couldn’t forgive him, I let him go and gave him back over to that.

Jimmy Tingle 18:37
Right. So did you include him in your prayers, like in the morning? And were you literally saying to God, please take this person? Or how did that work? That that process of forgiveness?

Geoff Thompson 18:50
It’s a good question. It started off with me. Reaching the top level physically and psychologically, I was working in life and death situations, as a bouncer was very dangerous. Four of my friends were murdered. So it was very dangerous job. So I knew I had to handle myself physically. I knew how to handle my adrenals. So I could control fear, I could control my fear, and I could control other people’s fear. So I learned to have to do that. So I started to chip into the spiritual aspect of it. And the spiritual aspect was about recognizing that I you know, that forgiveness is a divine attribute is not a human power. I started to understand by deep rigor and by, you know, studying the Torah, particularly the Torah, the Kabbalah, the the Zohan, the Tanja very, very big on, on forgiveness and unrepentant and on laws on six laws, and the sixth law says that nobody gets away with anything. My problem was I wanted witnessed revenge I wanted to do the revenge myself. The Torah, the Old Testament and showed me that that wasn’t my job. My job was as simple as my job was to if my enemy was hungry to feed, and if he was thirsty to give him drink, you know, and in so doing, I would heat fires of coal on his head, he was basically saying, when you give over your abuser to reciprocity, to divine reciprocity, you know, his that that side of it will all be looked after. I haven’t got the power to forgive or pardon, but I do have the power to repent. I do have the power to look at my own sins, my own errors, and repent and repent means to repair. It means to return, it means to find refuge back in the center, in that singularity, that gap, that geometric point that we call the soul. So when I finally met this guy, and I told him that I forgave him, I felt a sense of relief, because I’d let him go, I given him over to reciprocity. But as I walked away from him, the growing realisation was that it was a it was a quiet conceit in me, I knew I didn’t have the power to do to pardon him, all I had the power to do was disentangle from him. I disentangle from him by entangling with a higher power, which was for me, which was God or Hashem, or Allah, whatever you want to call it. So I when I, when I walked away from him, and I got him, I got a clearer view. So when I removed him and gave him back that parasite of abuse, I expanded in consciousness. In other words, I was able to see more and understand more. And then I looked at my own life and realize I don’t need to worry about what other people have done to me, I need to worry about what I’ve done to other people. I’ve been extremely violent, I’ve been unfaithful. I’ve lived a profit, a good life. So God was saying to me, let this guy go, you’ve known your business, I’ll deal with that. Vengeance belongs to me and I shall repay. So reciprocity will settle that account, your job is to look at all of the places where you’ve hurt people and repent them. In other words, repair them, convert me to those, all those all those areas of darkness that I was carrying around in my physiological plumbing needed to be converted from darkness back into light again. And that was the process. So my process wasn’t about going around forgiving people. That’s the quiet conceit. I haven’t got the power to do that. But I have got the power to repair and to repent.

Jimmy Tingle 22:36
Okay, so you started to make amends to people that you hurt. Was that? Okay? Let me ask you. Right now, I’m sure this is the same in Britain. People are walking around with tons of resentments. They’re walking around with tons of anger for a million different reasons. Yeah. Because we’re all human. And we all have you know, ups and downs in life and what would your recommendations be to people? Because I wanted to try to give my listeners some sort of a pathway to forgiveness. How does one forgive? What would your recommendations be?

Geoff Thompson 23:16
Stop worrying about the world and fix yourself first? Good Oh, for me, I look at the guy find the corrupt politician in me. I find the greedy banker in me I find the violent fundamentalist in me they’re there. And I go in and I clean them out and as I clean them out and contract those negatives, my consciousness expands my job isn’t to fix the world it’s none of my business my jobs no good me. It’s no good me talking about you know, the pollution of the world while I’m still polluting my own body, my own my own world with red wine or cigarettes or drugs or you know, a negative propaganda off the television. It’s no good me shaking my fist. You know, a pornographic politician, British or American. While I still have pornography is in my own life. It’s no good me worried about murderers out there while I’m still committing murder, with my gossip. Still drawing blood by now shame people when I’m very unkind.

Jimmy Tingle 24:19
So your solution is to focus on yourself. How do you improve yourself and take care of your own your own personal inventory, an inventory of yourself rather than other people? And when you got to that point in your life, you were able to go to the people that hurt you. And you were able to you were able to confront the abuser. How did he respond when you confronted him?

Geoff Thompson 24:44
He fell apart. And what was the line? There’s a lovely line in the Zohan said in the Torah, in the penta talk. It says if you would forgive your enemy, first injure him and what it means is before you give him over to God, injure him with the truth. Tell him the truth. Most people rationalize their bad behavior. This guy that abused me, didn’t think he’d abused me. He thought I was complicit. You thought it was a relationship. I was 11 is ridiculous. But that’s how he thought. So he’s rationalized all of the kids, he’d abused. And there was many. He rationalized that it was just normal behavior that most people don’t understand. And it was kept a secret. And the people that did it was special. I was special, he told me, and I can’t tell you too much. He said, Because you’re special and people won’t understand. So when I said seen him, I destroyed that. I injured him by saying, You abused me, you damage my life. And it’s not acceptable, and I’m gonna forgive you. I’m going to forgive you. But I said to match the truth. It wasn’t a relationship. It wasn’t natural. It wasn’t. There was no you know, I wasn’t complicit. I was 11 years old. Yeah, I, you know, how could I be coming back into child be complicit? So I told him the truth, and it crumbled. And after, after I told him the truth, I said to my forgive Yeah. Now, at some level, he knew that I wasn’t pardon him, he knew that I was handing him over, I gave him over to reciprocity, he still got time to repent if he wants to, and to repair. That’s not my problem. My problem is to fix my world. If I’m if I’m really busy out there, you know, if I’m angry, if I’m being angry, every like every latest thing on the news and every latest thing in the newspapers, I have no autonomy, Gene and Jimmy, people can steal my autonomy of my autonomy with a comment. I don’t care what people say and what people do. What’s important to me, is that I find my center, and I love everything that breathes. I love everything that breathes. I love everything that breathes. I have no resentment, I have no negativity, I have no anger. And if it comes into me, I either refuse to engage it, or I convert it into love. That’s not an easy process. That’s high level. And you said you practice. But basic science, basic psychology, just basic psychology will tell you that when you’re very angry at somebody, it’s because you it’s something in them that you don’t like about yourself, it’s just basic projection. So when people are angry, when they get violent, when they’re shaking their fists, they don’t realize that they are bound and entangled, they’re bound to and entangled with the very nature of their anger. So what we do is we have to find homeostasis in ourself. And we do that through the process of repentance, repentance means to repair or to return to God or return to love. And that continues to be my practice, and I can’t a Jimmy, I can’t tell you how beautiful my life is. Because I don’t have any of that negativity coming into me. what politicians do and what other people do. It’s none of my business, my business is to is to be as pure as I can possibly be, and contribute sureness to the world otherwise, I’m just throwing my anger into the fat Berg. And it’s getting bigger and bigger and bigger. It’s a comic fat Berg, wherever you throw into it comes back. You won’t fix it. With psychology you won’t fix it with with violence, you won’t you won’t fix it with intellect, brutal solution to a worldly problem?

Jimmy Tingle 28:32
Well, Jeff, you’ve contributed to the show today. And we’re very grateful for you being here. I want to know how the book is being received. And how can people get the book? Is it in bookstores in the US? Is it online? Where’s the book?

Geoff Thompson 28:48
I think they can preorder it. And I think he said it’s out in England now. And I think it’s out in America in about a week or so they can pre order on Amazon. And it will be out over there. It’s been very well received. But like I said, it’s a it’s not a book that’s it’s not another discussion about whether someone should be forgiven or not. So that really is a book that gives forgiveness a new denotation a new a new name, Sam forgiveness is about giving it over. And it’s showing people how they’re fooled into entangling with people when they’re angry and about what’s happened or what’s happened in the world.

Jimmy Tingle 29:25
It’s your hope that the book will help to enlighten people because clearly, you just look around and have all the all the areas in the world that are and all the people and countries and movements that where forgiveness could be just a game changer in so many situations. And you do hope that the book would be an impetus to that type of a conversation where people can start to look at themselves and look at their own situations and come to some reconciling. I mean, look at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa. And the one it was done, I think, Argentina as well, pretty remarkable that people from opposite sides and the Good Friday Agreement this Good Friday, do you hope that this will be a conversation starter for more more movements like that?

Geoff Thompson 30:20
Yeah, when it’s just trying to add a little bit of light, you know, there’s there is a lot of darkness, but all of that darkness contains light. And, you know, again, it’s Passover week. So the Old Testament is saying our job, our duty our work here is to convert darkness into light. You know, we’re not necessarily trying to get rid of darkness, you know, if you’ve got a light bulb, you’ve got a positive and a negative element and not positive, positive and negative terminals, and they need to be connected by an isthmus or by a bridge, which is us our soul. So we connect those two forces. And with the two forces together, we create light that we’re here to convert darkness into light. We don’t convert darkness by adding darkness to darkness. If you have black to black, and you just you just gets blacker. So my, I’m hoping I’m hoping that people forget about me, because he has nothing to do with me. I asked God, in my prayers, I said, I don’t understand forgiveness. I’m trying to convince people of its power of His metaphysical force, but I can’t articulate it, please guide me. So he sent me this book, this was downloaded into me, along with 110 hours of lecture. And they all came from a rabbi. And they were all taken from the Tanya, which is one of the commentary books on the Old Testament. And of those 110 hours, the majority of it was not about forgiveness, it was about repentance, it was saying, forget about him is a distraction. Don’t be so easily fooled. Fix yourself. Now you want to you want these politicians to be kinder, you’re not even kind to your wife. You want these bankers, to be less greedy, you’re still greedy in your own life. You’re still selfish, you’re receiving but you’re not sharing. You’re saying get yourself right, peace and reconciliation. Absolutely. But that must start with you. We need to have peace and reconciliation. within ourselves, we need to be a unified being. So our dark and our light needs to be married and combined. Give us the title again. It’s 99 reasons to forgive, and revenge ain’t one.

Jimmy Tingle 32:33
Are there 99 separate reasons in the book to forgive as well, as you just said that you spoke to the rabbi gave hundreds of reasons are those in the book?

Geoff Thompson 32:45
Yeah, there’s lots of reasons including health, including the you know, the loss of autonomy, while we hold a grudge about entanglement.

Jimmy Tingle 32:53
People can read it and they can get here’s some positive suggestions.

Geoff Thompson 32:57
Oh, yeah, there’s loads of Buddha exercises at the end of each chapter, lots of exercises do this, do that this is in this is saying to people, whatever you do, don’t take my word. For any of this, you need to do the rigor, investigate and do it and see for yourself. The main thing Jimmy is that is that any kind of grudge or any kind of resentment blocks, the free flow of consciousness of love, it also acts as a negative filter. So if I’ve gotten a grudge, and this light of God comes through me, it’s going to be filtered through that grudge. And every decision I make is going to be based on it. So this is saying that any kind of resentment blocks, the expansion of love, it blocks the free flow of love. It’s like having a it’s like having, you know, a bit of fat in your arteries, you know, consciousness needs to flow. So this forgiveness, freeze the phrase consciousness, it frees your phrases to find the full expression of love.

Jimmy Tingle 33:59
Well, thank you, Jeff, because I think that it’s something we desperately need, we need it. I go back, keep coming back to America and the situation because the the conventional wisdom now is everybody’s so divided, and everybody’s upset and, and there is there is no doubt about that. There is a lot of that. But this seems like one of the solutions. Yeah, I

Geoff Thompson 34:23
would say don’t be distracted. Don’t be distracted by the shiny keys on the telly. There’s lots of things distracting you, lots of things trying to get you angry, lots of things trying to see your energy and all of them are distracting you from the from your own inheritance, which is consciousness which is in you. So forget about that. Just come back to yourself. If you are perfectly clean, and you are perfectly aligned, and you’re connected to God, you won’t have any business with that. You’re just your business will be getting your own life, right. So all of those things are a delicious distraction.

Jimmy Tingle 34:57
Thank you, Jeff. That’s a great way To end this interview, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you for writing the book. I hope it has the intended consequences that you aspire to with the book, I certainly will read it. And I know that I will be able to look at those 99 reasons for forgiveness and hopefully find some solace, and some guidance and direction and my personal life. And I thank you for writing. And I thank you for being here today. And I want to encourage our listeners to check it out. You can get it on Amazon. It’s all in the show notes of where you can get the book. If you want to find out more about Jeff, where can people find out more about you, Jeff? I’m on

Geoff Thompson 35:38
Instagram and it’s just Jeff underscore Thompson underscore official Jeff with a G. Thompson with a T and I’ve done a TED Talk. It’s online just it’s a free free TED talk about forgiveness and fear.

Jimmy Tingle 35:50
Geoff Thompson, forgiveness and fear TED Talk, Geoff, thanks a million for joining us today. Thank you, publisher, Gavin for reaching out to us. And hope we can bring us more great guests like yourself. So thank you so much. Thank you and have a great holiday.

Geoff Thompson 36:06
And you have a great one. Have a great Passover.

Jimmy Tingle 36:08
Thank you so much and happy Easter and Passover to all of our listeners. And hey, here’s the whole point of Passover and Easter is not just about those days. It’s about the rest of the year.

Geoff Thompson 36:19
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Jimmy Tingle 36:21
Take care about thank you so much. Thank you

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